Inferview. May 12ih, 1998, with Anthony Rayson, by Sean Lambert
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1. Hello, pol. Tellus @ bil about yourel,
Answer. I'm ane of saven chidren. | hove two older brothers and an oider ter
‘ond fhvee younger brofhers. My lather wos an unusualy progressive polician in
e siies and seventies. He was a lowyerfjudge/stal represontative. Haran
for U. Congress n 1956, bul got he elecfion solen from im by Edword
‘Derwinsk, long-time right wing swine. So. | grew up in @ very poliical
‘atmosphere. wha with he expioson of the sixies and having older sbings
experencing counler cullure deos os | wasjust anterng my foes. 5o was very
plugged into the sifes stroet demonsirations. even Ihough | was very young. by
Ihe e | was ready 1o 6o as an adull he *mavemen® delerraled Into sefsh
edorism and olcohol/disco ciop. It was a grea disappointment fo me that
1olks could not give o damn now thaf they were no longer diectly ivoalened
Dy the War. They Couldn't wait o sort buying unk and being wingly
brainwashed.

| tropped out of collega a3 a second semester reshman (Ganned, lowe) and
hitchhiked around the caunty fo the next two yean. | aways haled scho. |
vos such a bloody., fme-tiling bare. | wos nterested i leaing Gboul fia no!
"how 10 be cookle-cut nto daing a poiniessly ived Hle making money for some.
Creops accumulating worthless tulf ond siowly giving o consumedkt
‘raimwash. The hall wilh tholl Fve been a fol collsclor for 23 yaan. 1t pays the.
bils. | con hink my own thoughts (how lough s follCollectng®) S, 'm st sl
2 panhander, only now | don'l even have fo ask. ihey us! give me tha money.
We hove a urion. 10o. If's a greal place fo see wha passes for humanily in
Amesica. 100. 1've been wilng Iio nolebooks about my upbrnging, 1 must
have 150 poges now, bul 'm only up 1o tha beginning of Hgh school, | nover
$6em lo hove fime I6 continue wilng ! or fo franscrbe il o ha compuer
Somaday. Lie mostall of my s, 1hnk Il s Goo. for| made sure my brain
‘works nlenihy on all my endeavrs. especially my wifings.

2 el us about your 3ne. How many lssues have you done so fard Wha's your
circulation?
recily hurt, but was also very determined not 10 ge sucked o the Hfe 1sow 3
‘everybody getting drawn into. It was (and aiways b} o sockal black hole inlo
aenafion and worthioss. poinfessy ived ives that copilalsm requres o s
rones (cifzens.) |say this only I the poitcal sense. Peopie re sfl capable of
‘extracreinary human warmih, courage, biliance. eic. but in he inal analyis. I
you ive your e n folerance fo this evl syslem. you have forfelled your chance
at @ nly ived Ho. | made i a pain 10 bo an aware oblerver with the infention
‘of achlaving a sor of windowpan clarly thol Could not be dsmised. |recd
voraclousl and sought ou! the mos! advanced trinking. | concommilently
developed myselt o be a good perion. 1 figured | hod to ive with mysel, o |
‘wanted that peron fo be kind, thoughfiul, pleasant, nteresting, inéghiful and
fun. And 5o, | went fo work. | kept he faith ihat these efiors and “saciices*
‘wouid bec fit, even though | Gdn't have *scene” 1o draw sirength from -
ustthewords and deeds of brliant and very brave people throughout history.

Anyway. this nterview b gotting long. Gireody. I've done sk ssues. The fist
four were 32 page affais. Five and s ore 64-pages each. Thi lef's me nol
‘wory about the length of the essays and | gt 10 exlend the letter secton. I've
put more graphics and ofhers' conkibuions, 100. 1have no idea what the
crcutationss. | g leters and e-mad from people | don't know ol. People are
posting stft on the infemet, efc. Like |sckd In ksue #1. repdnt any and ail of . |
don'l care about the money and rarely aclually receivo any. spend a lof of
‘money maling znes to fhose | fecTwil get the most from it Ths tut s by
nalure, ree. | wanl people fo be mofivaled. hvlled and inspked by my efforts.
and that's what mofivaled me fo make . Iwant 10 share the wisdom and
nsight F've gathered over the year. | el ot this poin i s my contibufon o
those fightng oppression fhroughout the globe. | think of the lady in San
Saivador working for sockat justice, defiant in the midst of o death squad regime.
Her union hall was eventually bomibed by the US.-trained puppets, bul she
ived unfi she died. defiantly, fecriesty, herdically...

Yeah, | hink It has been “successful” I've me! many very good people
because of my zine. My thoughts cre being collected and | believe my wiing
has gotien more cogent. The skl 'm acquitng in producing fhis Zne have
heiped me in ow grasroots anikairpor fight. | wile @ 32-page newsletter, ihot
s boscaly o #he. I wile a ol ofleaflets. profest signs, letlers 10 the edior, eic. |
communicate with a lof of people, by phone, letters o e-mai. F'm making cul-
‘and-paste maps. phone books, elc. I've gained a confidance and people are
responding fo my sense of misson. I's very gratiing receiving long, heartielt
leflers from those who've studied my zine carefull and golien a lol trom i.

3. Tell us about STAND. How's the fight 1o shul down the irport going?
Answer: STAN.D. s cool. If means Shul This Alport Nighimare Down. My
‘partner of work, Mike recenily moved out by me. When he siarfed finding out
boul Ine aipart he was pied. He kep! bugging me Ihal we should fgh s
IR0, 1w 30 of rehacnt, because { knew once saried gelfing nfoit 1 ]
would dominale my ims. 1 gol e id 6 oul fiom tho ot fon years. A mider
ancipor group had baen Tghiing . i was called RURAL (Resents Unied fo
Retain Agfculhural Land) Ever year we've had o beal these poftican creeps
back winsficks. e Iveal nover goes away. They kst have fo whn, oncel -
Anyway, the lady who was e iing force behind RURAL got ful-ime [ob as
repaerforalocal paper. 'd been nvolved wih RURAL somewhat. I 1995.1
Snuck some aniipod remarts o my valeciclodan addvos, which he'd
feparted on. We sared faking 1o her and forming decs. Mike come oves ona
ighi ond we ashioned a one-sheel, 4 page leaiel cbou thellestfreat,
went o CopyMax and pinled up @ few huncrod copies. Wo wen! around
These noary lowns plaserng hem il around fhe bars, rstauranis, shops.olc.
We found an o e om George, cying he would do anyiting o fght ths
hing, So. we called him. U hvee arganized a profestfo confroni a bunch of
scheming U5, Congresmen. I ivee doys, wo had 75 very angsy peopie ghing
Thov croepshell We barged nlo ho holel and chanted, “The paopio Uiod,
Wil never bo defectecl The peopie urited, wl never be deleaiedl” Wo ol
hold of RURAL's id mating . | wiipped up a 32 page newslaler Gnd wo
mallo 1o everyona on it it (abovt 300 paopie) We gol checksin o
mall People were ready fo be organized! S0, we held an organiing mesting.
The lcy rom RURAL wanied 0 0l the name RURAL 50 we tied fo come up
wih @ now, more asskick name. |Enaly came up wh STAND. We've been U
10 ur eyebols in crgorking wok, ever dnce. Is going good. | procured some
grant money and we're gaing o had glan ray af @ huge falgrounds June
7ih, tm doing imos!alof e orgarkng o s - an tnanoly hug fosl Fve
ot some hol bands ined up (Hencs) il ides, Moomwciker ho local bors
il make food, we'llhave a bunch of fleafure aies fo ofha grassools
Groups. Fm going fo o a rawing Conles! and esoy Confes! (whal 0o ihe ds
inkof ths rportFF9 Fm sure 1 wil be qulefevoang) | ordered 1000NO
ARPORT bumper icken, 25 STAND i, aad o2 x & STAND bams. | got
afomly (nom schodled) 1o mak slencis and pai up yord signs, which Fm
gotting ploced cound thete kowns and near axpressways. Frm laking 1oa
millon peoplefrom poficlans and p- people 1o winos on ihe stee! wh leatiet
for a boltle. Wo hop 1o have 1000 peaple Come fo aural. m gonna MC.
1. L even wrole a on “Don'} Lol Em Do " o the STAND BANDI) which may
provelnlerestng. Fm going 0 ge!the Chicogo fodo dorks fo piay . We cim
o g fhe ale ine inger over s one, have fun and argue them back nfo
1he sowan hey crawed out ofl was thinking of hoving rog jumping Contesl
and greosed pigraces! Anoiherea | had was 1 have fhe fen year olcs moke
paper arplanes and tape frecrocker 1o ‘emi
4. You'reskaring on ARA chapler. How's thol going? Who! wil yourfocus be? ¢
Answer: Yes, we have an organiing meefing on May 16th. 1 wil drow from the
experdence of our Chicago brothers ond ssters of the Autonomous Zone. o
dynomille onarchist collective/booksiore/acfivist nerve cenler, who've hod on
ARA choper for o while. Another chapler has recently begun near Loyola
Universly. | hope 10 get people fogether fo delve into the racism n i oreo.
ke everywhere else in this country. f i o sickering problem hot stems from the.
stofe. |wan 1o go beyond tha sensalional racss! provocafions (cross burrings.
beotings, Kings, elc,) ond study the i:Huional characler that is the enigine of
rockm. Sure, we want 1o keep fabs on fhe fucking Nods and Kion, foo. They're
rackm’s pimples, nol the monster body, iselt. We'll Iry 1o react 1o these racis!
provocations. lef the victims know they have o ffiend who knows the fruth and
‘il ight with them for socialjustice and common humon decency! | haven't
had a chance fo focus on his ke | would ke 1o, ve!. bul | have a wealth of
information and arfcles f've collecled and witten.

5. You call yourselt an Aboliforist. What does thot mean fo you? How conwe
end racsm?

Answer. Abofionism fo me means o fle-long dedication Io fight rocism and
‘delve deeply nlo I's causes and effects. | draw skength from the courogeous
‘abolionists of yesteryear who fought fhe mobs, the church ond the stole of
‘every fum - and managed 1o mee fheir objeciive - the aboilion o siovery. It
1ook hiy years, countiess ives ana ffe-iong struggle. but they did il |
articulary draw skength from John Brown, WendellPhiips ond mos! close 1o
Ty hoor, Efjah P. Lovejoy. He wos murdered by o mob s he delended his
third prining press. The mobs had desiroyed fhe olher two. This wasin Southern
Hinois. They ted 1o run him out of Town, but he s1ood hs ground and died on
‘stemal hero. F'm aiso quile impressed wilh the moder day abolfionist
‘movement, specrheaded by Noelignatiev, o briont,former professor of
Harvard. He wrole How the tish Recame Whilg ond bomsiors around he
‘County. | oppreciate Insghtful dedication and fecriess adherence 1o the ideols
of Bberation. Thek goal s 1o render "whileness” unlenable as a predictor of
behavior. If enough “whiles” deny the crumbs of *priviege” tossed oul by the
slale and no longer act “white" the whole shoky house of roci! cords s
undermined. They affack the siale hvough the uriquely American Achiles heel
of race. Tome, ighing racksm, s everybody s civic duly. When you see people:
being abused, you go o the cid. As I i (and oways hos been) o buiwark
institufion of the state, 1his requkes thol ihe stofe b dsmantied in order tho!
racism be efiminaled. The stafe. of course, rests on these insftufions of
‘oppression. To me. aboionism s o powerlul aTow in the auivver thot
‘encompasses anarchism. I focuses on fhe fight ogains! rocism. Now. | don'!
‘agree with everything they say. but | om impressed enough by them and the
nitorcollegacy. 10 proudy prociaim mysell an abollons! - herackm |
mininizers be domnedi

Racism is constantly reinforced in many sublie ways. from all media outiets.
1115 @ fihy influence inat degrades ou ives doly (0s oas sexsm and.
homopholbie, Ignoring . only allows o fester and bete our ives. To
challenge it and Inink aboul dy. makes one a befler human being and
lessens ihe omount of posonous deas one i infesied wi. I's ke menlal
bocteria. Leftunireaed. you hove o dseased body. Liing. working and
relating 1o black people daily. is most important fo full human development.

6. Your houghis on homophobia? I this nof the some ignorant ple of crap as
racism?
Answer. Homophobia is definitely a simiar pile of crap o racim. This quesion
feminds me of one of Ihe reasons | oathed schooling so much. Growing up.
Through grade and high school, these miserabie buidings wers n fact, schools
for racism, sexism and homophobia. The ignorant infellectual bulies would
constantly bleat offensive affocks lowards those suspeced of being "queer” or
“iike a ‘g™ or a “nigger.” “Act ‘whilel" |remember hearing quile offen. The
porade of offensive jokes. “Blow me, suck my dick, you faggol* efc.. efc..really
served lo degrade fhe dignily and drog down the inteligence of everyonel By
letting these slafe-bobstering Ideas go unchallenged. we wers laying the
groundwork lor our own fuiure docle afenation hel of vacuous consumest
#age-siavery. Who so ever fights homophobia s my Bfelong ffendi | loved the
Zover of yourzine. where a dghteous punk i disamning (and “lecturing”) that
swine homophobic lowl

11ead n the latest Progressive. about how the Winans are going after gaysin
thelr 1997 aibum Bold. The chorus fo the song. “Nof Natural" goes like hi, “'s
not natural/No. tha's not the way God plonned/i's not nafural, nof naturaifi's
fime for the world 1o understand.” These biatant displays of infolerance by
religious rock and gospel groups wil surely increase, jus as n fock wl, 00.
Funny how *God” creates everylhing. yel the *irue believers® must foke if upon
Themselves 1o determine who he really meant was “chosen* and whowas
morked for slavery. exterminafion, oppression, elc. Religion! Whal ulter poison
hink it s imporlant 1o reod fhese progressive joumas. fo get a fuller
understanding of the ways the stae i ralcheting up the oppression n tris
‘couniry. They may shy away from radical solutions or anarchist analyss, but
they offerinformation on how society s “functioning.

7. As bolh o radical and parent, what are your thoughts on parenting? Do you
teach you children about abolfionism and anarchisme.

Answer: Prenting s an incredible challenge, because children, if not
bludgeoned (efther physically or psychologically) into fearful subservience, are.
he most cticulate questioners o your shoricomings and inconsitencies fhat
st n this word. They are unvelenling in e questioning and infense n the. 7
‘demond for serous. Immediate oftention. You cannot “get away” with any kind
of bullshit that will go unnoficed. You have 1o be determinely genvine ond
honest - sincerely commitied fo involvement and direct relating. You are their
reai feacher. Thus. acohol s bul he poison, mind-deadering infiuence fhal f
. f you cfink and you have a child - quit. Otherwise, you will not have the full
‘concentration this iffiull job requées. s the most thling and ulling work of
‘your fite. To see your child fecrlessly relate fo other adults without the usuol
‘automatic fear, pushing hs mind o arficulate diffiul concepls and argumens,
s @ very joyous thing. Two minutes later, he may be fooling around with another
i jst being himsell - hid, hoving fun. He's showing you what love does.

Damn right, | feach hem about anarachism and abollionm. I fve these
beliefs. everyday. They see me work hard on this stuff, every day. | work fight in
#he middle of iheis mayhem. 1 read fo them frings 've willen and osk them
whal Iney think. | somelimes give fhem insinuctions on whal fhe proper way we
should cany ourselves. Sometimes being a parent means showing definifive
knowing leadeship. | go oul of my way lo have hem erjoy the company of
black chidren f fhe porks sfores, school, home, wherever. | walch how they
fesi and react o these stuations. Bolh lads feel very comfortable n the.
‘company of black chicren ond adult] and | believe fhey share my special
‘warmth and pleasure in their invariably. foscinating company.

8. Polical baiels? Thoughts on anorchism? How can anarchism be oppled 1o
everyday iet

Answer. Well. | think there ore two ways of looking at this world. You either
‘allow yourself o be fully committed 10 searching for, understanding and
‘advocating the unmistakable kuth (anarchism) or you work fo jusify one of
koftions of versions of bulsht focades and excuses for oppression. Poflics i just
fike chemistry or mathemafics. The proper approach will give you the corect
calculation or desied compound. If you jumble up the ingredients and fudge
the figures you are going to reach false conclusions and may very well create
‘an explosive situation. Now, why s if that a person can know say. the complefe.
detaik of a spor, or whalever, but be imost complelely ignorant as fo polilical
realy? Why sit ihat the system doesn't mind if you know Joe Blow's eamed
fun average but s petified hat you understond e situation in Eost Timor?e?.
Poiifics s the arena of social fruth. Thatis why i i 50 Gangerous and why fhe.
system and ther media conglomerates spend so much fime and money frying
1o confuse people 1o death or bare them into lethargy. Evil can only functon in
aseaofignorance. A world order based on death, forture and misery.
‘controlied rom fhe U.S..can only exst under the mos! galing. codified layers of
fles ever concocled. Moss murder s “peacekeeping.” The hreat of nuclear
incinerations yowningly signed onlo. The nex! ity stepis the T & Do solufion-
1l yourselt for befter biss. Unforlunately, ihe system hos people beleving guys
ke us ore the Cause of the problems. Righiwing milfcs are armed 10 1he feeth
waifing o begin exterminalion compaigns. The modness s complefe. The
chision zeclols are ready 1o do "god's wl." After il the milenium
‘approoches and hot means ammaggedon. Aght? There's only ane problem.
There s no god. 50 fo do “god's wil" ighteous chvsians will have lo o “god's
Wil themselves. which, of course, s 0 Kilinnocent people. Ulterly insonel Afler
ol o of ths’s "willen in fhe bible. which s the book of hate.

‘Everyday anarchy is iving lfe free. It s working fke @ madmon in the search
for nyth and beauty. 11 he helping of those cround you becouse s the fight
thing 10 do and therefore, s own reward. Anarchy is uing the insighis of
iberotion fo resourcefully create meaning on the meagerest of budgets. under
the most g of Condifons. s he furnace of the soul. I s fe ived” I's
inspired, fecrless happiness. It s the individual nudgings of societal evolufion.
‘Ancrchy is an aware humanis mindse! thal i on of the time. A frue anarchistis
improving constantly. reaching and inspiing - even the dullest around them.
'An anarchistruns infro @ burring building and rescues the children. An anarchist
s the most loathed and despised incividual possible. Truth means danger.

9. Whot sor of stult do you read? Fiction or nonfiction? Do you read for
entertoinment or education?

Answer: 'min the middle of maybe, o dozen books. They are all non-fiction. |
Skim through about 3 or 4 popers a day. looking for stories about the Girport,
focism or something tha stale is doing 1o oppress paople. | read a lot of zines
‘and pofiicol jouma. | very rarely read fiction. I've read some of the classc
ficton, such as the great Russian writers. Now. I'm frying o firish The Legend of
John Brown. | forge! whol's by. | hod foretumiit o the ory for o whie. Fm
‘also reading Block Reconsiuction, by W. €. B. DuBGs. o massive piece of infense:
scholorship, by most probably the greatest nfellectual in US. history. I'm
reading @ book by Steve Biko called, | Wile What | Lie. My sster gave it o me.
for Chistmos.A really good book I've read recently i Kiling Hope, by Wiliam
Blum. It goes counry by couniry and describes how the U.S. has fucked over fs
cllizens by the C.LA. and millary. | have a o of books I'm dying to read, but |
feei 100 compelied o write myself and onswer comespondence; elc. |have o
job ond a family and ofher projects. | don't have much kme fo “enjoy”
reading. Reading reoly good book for hours on end is about the most fun
thing | can think of doing. When | “splurge” and set myself a ifte fime fo just
read, invariably in the middie of the right, {1 get up for an hou and o hall,
moybe fou nights a week, just o do more] s 1o reod good ine. | find well-
‘worded, infense analyss or invective - the dead-on rant or a beauffully worded
idea. 10 be the most entertaining reading 1 ke o wel done polifical cartoon o
comic, 100, | work os fast and efficiently os | con, but have foo much fo do 1o
give reading and research fhe proper fime it deserves. I1's a shome. This
Society forces everyone 1o waste so much fime scrolching for money o buy.
subsitence, that ther genuine folents are ignored. A guy fike me should have
his needs provided o, s0 some more fime could be freed up 1o pursue my
stucies ond wifings, but thal presupposes a sane really where people are
reated os mearingful contiibulos, instead of the water buftaloes they're made
fobe.

10. Would you consider drugs/alcohol tooks of the system@ Shouid crugs be
legolzed?

Answer. Drugs and aicohol gre *legall” And. yes fhey are used 1o oppress
people. The pharmacies are crammed with Grugs dispensed by “doctorn”
‘which keep old people, the disabled and menlaily sirail jackeled. i a person
prison of doclty . confusion. forment and helplessness. Alcohol serves 1o keep
young pecple in the haze os they go through Ihe transiion from free-inking
feen/young person fo “estabished” seliout 1o capital. Then. os adults. it
funclions 1o keep them kep! from seriously thinking about the govemment.
They're foo busy gefting drunk. being drunk or nuning hangovers, spending fheir
fime and maney on this fase, cigarefie smoke-filed Ffe. Heroin s used 1o konk
those prsoners who are not physically behind bars. Cocaine, foo. These two
aren this country minly by the auspices of the US. inleligence operafives.
‘working in Southeast Asic ond South and Cenral America. Pokisian.
Afghanistan, efc. They provide enormous prolifs used fo lund death squad
‘operafions, globe-wide. The inferesting “crug” that is oiways falked about
{marfuana] and which & used fo Incarcerate o large percentoge of the US.
prison populafion, b @ medicinal plont used by people for thousands of years.
Asitls beneficial. mainly. it s the most fied about ond viified of all the crugs.
Recently at a smoke-n in the cify Chicago) hundreds of cops surrounded fhe
people ot this raly, harasing and mesiing peaple, ike @ pack of hyenas
sauling o herd of springboks. The fear ihat morfuana wil “expond” o
person's mind and fum him or her against the govemmentis behind fhis
hysterio. They wil never forgive pot for “losing” Vietnam for them. Marjucna
merely doesn't impeison the mind. allowing 0 person fo figure out how roflen
the system s for themselves. So, anything thal doesn't keep the fid on the big
e s the most dangerous substonce around. Again. ulterly insane. Cigarelies
‘and alcohol kil hundreds of thousands of people every year. Morjuana? Not
one - everl Such an evil weed! Are you dying of cancer. AIDS. sickened by
chemotherapy o glaucoma? Forge! frying o ocquire marjuana. even though
s the only thing that does any good. Uncle Sam soys you'llhave fo suffer

11. Thoughts on arimol fghts?Vegetarionismd
Answet, | ecily Raa'l ought 1hal much aboul animal fights unil | began fo
study il in vorious 2ines. Like allthe evis of sociely. they hide the evilredy from
he people and Ihe “oficial” media never looksnto . Aflerall lhey are. |
corporate ventures. which are sacrosanct and beyond any question. I's funry,
You can go fojai for kicking someone’s dog o Kiing thei cat, bul the massive.
te-long forture and slaughler of “meat” and fur-beating animas and those.
used in “fesling” ore prolecied by the poicestate. Companies must be
‘guoranieed thei profils I ihey con't be profitable enough? Give them
massive subsicies and relax all restictions! |remember growing up and going 1o
nordhern Waconsin every year as my folks “owned” a cofiage up there on Lac
G Flambeau Indian Reservation. There wos a mink form there. We would go.
‘ond vitil. twas 0pen 10 the public. Row affer row of finy cages filed with
ulla sod and lormented minks, afve only long enough o endure a helish e
nd fhen kiled - 50 some rich bilch Could siather dozens o thelr pelts around
her vain. worihless bodyl Sickeninglll Animal Bberafion s @ basic component of
he revolution. Our ifle buddies are counfing on us 1o spring them from the evl
chutches of thei capitolst caplon.

Vegelaranism? ' the way fo eal. Vegelables.legumes s, rains and
cereals are the most healthy forms of noushment. Eafing meat causes high
choleserol levess, biocks arleres. causes sioke, cancer, alc.. efc. I'm sl iing
1o wean mysel and chikdren off of meat. | arely have i around the house and
il eliminate i fotaly, os justseeing it s a disgrace. It's fough 1o avoid in pubc.
My tamily loves cereal and we dink G lof of milk(skim) and eat cheese. Fm
sure going completely vegan & even a better way 0 five and wilfry o get
there. My wilo’s akready o vegelarian. | grow up wih a steamimg carcass on
he table every night. | remember when | was about eighteen, one fime | wos
‘on mescaline and | went 10 the inner fable and sow fhese pleces of chicken
stacked up on a big plafe. Itwas such a sickering sight. | couldn'tforce myself
1o gnow info theirflesh. This type of *lood" was the product of foriure and
murder of fealing mammals. F's another form of slafe-forced posoning.

12. What do you think of the anarcho-punk movement?
Answer: | e f @ ot. SOMEBODY has 10 say “Heyl This s @ profone existence
‘ond we'ree not ever going 1o let you lorgef H” | love the fervor of the most
‘ardent and acive anarcho-punks. I’ Inspifing fo read and hear committed
‘anarcho-punks arficulate the befefs. | do think more of this in-depth brain work
is essential. Just saying things suck i not helping those younger (or oide)
understand the systems of oppression any beller. Research and welkworded
and played arguments are necessary 1o futher along the siuggle and raiche!
up the pressire and gain new, committed adherents. You folks have the fight
idea, anarchy in everyday lfe. diy. il the way. Use these insights 1o mare
clearer and mare convincing your crguments - Some of the stuff | can't “read.”
His siapped together so disjointedly. Some of the “musc” i not "
comprehensible, no matter how hord | try 10 sten and igure out who s being
said. 'm 44 and I'm used fo easly decipherable wilings and songs. That's
really my only compiaint. Guite offen the “message* k 1oo obscure 1o gel
beyond thase aready inlo l. We need lo energize o5 many people o5 we con
o belleve and advocate for an anarchist fulure. f needs 1o be unmistakably
ploin and deskable. Clear, undeniable frth i the mos! revolutionary form of
information. Some of the lapes I've received | really fike and some | ke parts
ol. Otherst Some stulf 1 have trouble deaiing wih. They seem o cssaull my
‘ears and | can'l delenine whal i being “scid.” These Cilicims have been
leveled ot me. 100, and 'm trying 1o be more cleary understood and deskable
1o think about. You have 1o have sensitivly 10 those who may be wiing 1o gve
‘your message serious consideraion. Yeah, the system & homble and evi. but
‘we can stil describe this and the posiive alfemative we propase. in on
‘appeatng. understandable manner. II's nof easy, bul that's why we have
orains. With the Eberafion of thought thot anarchy encourages and nurtues.
‘we need 10 do a belter job ol articulating our message. I'm impatient. 100. |
‘want his suffering of humanily o and ths instant, oiso. Maybe I'm o hip
enough anymre fo getinlo i, bul 'm sure lof of people feel this way end
they don't ry necry as hard 0 gel .

1love your milfant posiion agains! racism, sexism, homophobia, ogeism.
‘vegelaranism, animal iberation. the siruggle agains! ecocde. elc. You are
dead fight-on on ail these ssues and pul 1o shame some of ihe shuffier, book-
feamed-to-death anarchists and ofher progressives. Your wiingness fo reprint
good znes, pamphiets and ofher wors, either witien or on lape s admirable.
You don't give a damn about the money. you do it cheap. do tt now and gel it
out fo people - what dly. shouid be all about. You don't even pretend o
screw around with dopey CD's - what a fip-oif of stedized muzok profits for
indushy folcais! Topes are the only way fo go. I'm parfial 1o the wiilen word
and I'd lie 10 30e you people spend the effor 1o produce more wrifings -
poems, stodes, rants. letters, iy, essays, analyss, efc. The more you work ol
‘your witings, the better you wil be af doing them. Like anylhing else. practice
‘makes one o i better. Aln-ail. | give you o clenched fist of respect and o
heartfelt hug of comradeship.

13. How do people react fo yourideas? Do (you) ever feel ike you're
preacting 10 the converled?

Answer: People react in many ways. excep! indifferently. Most people try 1o
ignore them, as I they are beyond fheir comprehension or something they
‘would rather not deal with. Some people react with a sort of fear. Some react
‘angrly. especially conservatives and righl-wingers. Ofhers ind them uniquely
inspifing. These people ake the fime and concentration fo study these wrilings
‘carelully. Trisis necessory becouse the dense, infensely worded woy fhey are
crofted st upon the reoder. s o her ul lfenfion. fm ol one o mince ) 5
‘words or wasle pope. 11y 10 pul the most in the fmiled omount of space.
‘avolable. Postoge cost o o of money. wan! people o wani fo go back
ond reread these wifings lo ge! them fully, and ust 1o reread them for plecsure.
1do tha! mysell rereod them. nol only my own stulf, bul ofher good sources of
insightful wilings. 1 gives me pleasure and reinforces my commilment fo keap.
fighting hard. The crifiism thal hey are *loo infense" s o crock. You're getling
more anorchic bang for your buck. Wht's o bilch about? Nol fuffy enuf?
How fitel Allwiling shouid be nlensely focused and meaningful. Then. we
‘wouldn'l woste so much fime selfing fo such tivial cropolo.

Somelimes. | feel ke | can only get through fo a select few people who
‘apprecile fhe effort and fecrless commilment | put info my witings. I'm really
putfing everything on Ihe ine, here. I've gol everylhing a man could won.
supposedly. Wilhout Irve human freedom and baring thall without siving for
it's offcinment, ihere is @ vas! void in the fiving of our one and only fe. Once.
the chosm separaling fear and ferlessness s crossed, frve ffe begis. You
have fo be hue 1o yousell and five in love ond revoll dly.

‘Ofher fimes, ordinary people begin 1o read my stulf and react with
increasing levels of apprecialion and respect. They may nol find the skength fo
‘emulale me and be similary energized 10 fight, bu' they have a deep sense of
‘odmiafion for the effor | obviously infuse. Normol, working people soem fo
hove o lotless rouble accepting thal my eflorts are urique-and powertul. A lof
of anarchists and other underground hocks all 100 offen ook for ways fo dismiss
‘or i f ond nof benef rom a thorough study of fhe material. Too bod for
them. Joded. ignoron! underground Siskel & Eberts might os wellihrow In the
fowel (probobly wil s00n enough, anyway) and rog on some maisieam
bulkhi. I's molivafing knowing working people | work with of see reguiarly who
hove read ond look foword o the *lofest” oppreciole my eflorts and don't
feel Ihe need 1o hide theirrespect. It makes me won! lo awe-inspra them
the more. Aller ol Il st ironscrbing my observafions and Insghis nfo the
‘glorous human creation of human wrillen longuage. 1 130 much more
‘concse and pofent than conversafion. Tolking can be infense. ond T've been
¥nown 10 burn on eor of wo, bul the witfen word i efemall

14. Could people survive without govemment? 1 an anarchist socely, how
would crime be hondled?

Answer. People do bnd Gways have nol only survived. but frved without
govemment. When o nalural discster sikes, the only good fhing s the
‘govemment s desiroyed with . People help eacholher survive helr cris using
Ihe onorchistfocfics of mutual oid, human decency and respect and unique.
unfetiered creativly. When he ciiss hos been deall with. the fucking
comes fo eassert fsell and start sncsing and pasoning ol e |3
9000 work done and skaried by those spontaneously anarchis, working
Soutions. Al the shating and caring s replaced by making sure Ihe Créeps who
hoid the deeds “ge back” thek property wih oll Ihe opprassive laws ond cops
1o make sure nobody disturb i legiimized thet. Withou! a govemment fo
degrade and horass people. hings become a lof more flexibly solvable and
Interesting 1o deal with. Once peoples' creative polential s unleashed there s
o imit 10 the ganuine usefulness that can result. The slale's jobs o deny the
reloase of peoples’ frue human feeiings. Tha siale & ived death.

‘As for cime, | couldn'! say across the bodrd, Maybe some people would
decide o murderous creep should be put 1o death. Maybe elsewhere, o simiar
‘cAmincl would ba rewarked nto he sociely. I would depend on how those
diractly affected by fha crime, decide how 1o handie il People shouid be
ailowed ths aulonomy. Pesonaly. ' not inlo violence. of huring people in
‘any way. Killers must be slopped and rendered harmiess somehow. Some con
be made to function and some are Incomigible. | wouid aik them 1o death.
probably. Then ogain. when scum ike Somoza are murdered o the cimes. i
makes me hoppy. I's somehow comlorting 10 see major Céminals pul fo death.
We all know thaf many. many innocent people n ihis word cre kiled every day
by al fypes of torurous means by varlous stafes and ther henchman -
invarably frained and armed by fhe US. Somehow, ihis enomous, centuries-
long word-wide genocide must be stopped. Those presenty Invalved n these
cdms must be brought fousiice and hose vilians of the past, must have their
plous statues smashes and allhe glodiying fes fold about thel “contdbutions™
exposed for the masive dsinformation 1hal hos been fed everybody all hese
Yeass. The fruth - the *dangerous™ ruth - n all s Complexites. needs o be fully
Gired. Daunting fosks gel easier Gs 500 G3 you sel 10 work on them.

15. 1s pomography sexst? Could i cause rape?

Answer: Under caplialsm, verylhing i sesisl, racist, homophabic. efc. It s the

‘means that tha systems of oppression. based on fheft and degradafion. fes.

etc. reies on fo keep people ignorant, doclle and ferarful which keeps it going.

Pomography is one of those words thal has lostils meaning. fike “Communism.”
‘means obscenily, vieness, Comupl, evi practices. depravity. It

descibes the state. Pomography i force based on murder of Il threa.

Now, the *pomo Industry” ks whot ks naTowly looked on s “pornogrophy.”
Uke all the ofher movies, i i a false depiction of human behavior. All movies.
save for legiimate documentaries and non-explaliative effors are really
‘weapons of mass deception. Lying fo people, whie profiting on these fes.is
pomographic. Sex ficks are no dilferent. There is an enormous amount of
‘coenion used 10 condifion these down-and-oulers inlo doing whal some sexist
pig wanis fhem fo do, on fim. It .0 perversion and comuplion of humon
sexuality. But. In o world of fies. where mass murcer s blandly acceplaie, the
tucking on screen or The nakedness in mogazines s nothingl “Regular” movies
are big budget wastes of monay that glorfy death and ferror, conditioning 14
people info befieving human warmth and nfeffigence does nof exst. THAT'S
pomographyll Rape, Ike ofher cimes aro diect oulgrowihs of a constantly
reinforced sexist, ignorant, despaiing world. brought 1o you by Chewrolet. Trying
1o say. Joe Schmoe went out and raped somebody because he looked of o
peep show. s nol an adequale delving inlo this complex matter. That's not o
soy thot the “sex” industry Is blomeless for the dummying.down of people.
Human sexuallly is o beaufiful thing, not a hot nuls, one-way streel. Why are the
school kids going around the school yards blowing leachers oway? Cartoons?

16. In your opinion, whot's the best band from the '70's and why?
Answer: Sean thof's @ foughie. There's o lof of ‘em. Judging by fhe fervor of
the collection of thex albums (yes, albumsi) 've accumulated. | would say. | lke
'Von Monfson and the Grafeful Dead the most. Van & powerlully soulfu. o
biiiant wtte, great singer and mult-talenled musician and amanger. He's the
‘complete package. in my most despaing moments. Von fakes hold of my
sobbing shouiders and whispers hs empowesing love info my fhisly ears. Vans
the mani The Dead represented freedom In on infensely uniree word. Garcia
'was o biifion! guilarst and the Gudience-fendly approach fo concerts was
sociallyimporiont. Prisoners need fo hear the birds sing thek songs of freedom.
Localy, | was greatly thfled and mofivaled by a band called Hearisield.
They sang joyous songs of freedom and love. The band had five excellent
quilorsts and o rummer, and fhey couid ofling thek asses off 1 stop there,
o go on for pages.

17. Anything you want o ask me?
Answer: Yeoh, how cid you gel fo be 5o aware, commitled and acfive? How

did you overcome the hurdles o fear and inerfia that so cripple 5o many of our
broihes ond siten?

18. Thoughis on the death penclly?

Answer. Aslong s Chinton's nol gelfing . 1 s @ fotal orce. 's one of millons
of unnecessary laws, used 1o prop up this sociely of friovery, aible! a horsh ane.
The cops re allowed o use The death pencily on the sireels and K poor.
usualy black, people every damn day. Murder s a ime. Massive resources
‘are wasted on cour fights, appeals - lawyers and ofher bioodsuckers (ike
judges. couts and prsons. mainly) 1o keap people, whether guily of cimes o
not. cought up arbitrarl in the “ustice™ web, on hold. The real crminas, ke
the US. poicy-mokers - the Albright's elc. who ore murdedng chidren in toq
(0nd ol around the globe) are converiently exemp from having 1o worry
‘3boul the death penally. Free Mumia ond ail polical pisoners and open up
‘and destroy al the i and pdsons! I3

19. You seem lo have going about os good as a person con hope fox, n ths
sociely. You are a “while™ male, with a loving famly. a olerable job, elc. Why
'have you just so recently decided 1o become so activet

Answer. I've studied and leamed o lol, over fhe yean. bul felt kcioled and
theretore, alenated from thase singging. This soclely comparimentaiaes and
lomizes even tho most aware people, i here s no support base o Graw from.

my essays, “dnes” akeady. So, I really stappeditinio high gear. |
‘ordered dozens and dozens of Znes, wrole proffically and maled, maled.
naled. | started fo gel known fo some of the underground principles. | finally
Zollected my stulfinlo zine fom in December of *97 andwnalied the st fou
15ues fo undergrounders around the workd. | have sincesdioubled fh s2e of

20. Finol Comments¢
‘Anawer: Well I'm sure you fine olts are raller bumed out fom ol i yaking,
301 be briet. We have but one e on ihis porth. There k no aftertle. LIVE FREE
Sean Lambert is a dedicated

anarcho-punk activist. He edits
the zine, You're Not Normal. He
also compiled the zine, Take
Back Your Life. He has a
musical project of intensely
crafted lyrics, called Decimation
of Authority. He is homophobia's
worst nightmare. He IS di.y!
Anthbny Rayson is a middle-
aged anarcho-abolitionist who,

likewise, is super-acfive. He edits
the zine, Thought Bombs, has
recently helped to start the South
Chicago ARA chapter and is
heavily involved in the anfi-airport
fight in south Chicagoland. He edits
their newsletter, Anti-Aiport Alert.

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